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Landfall procedure? |
Posted by: P.Rutherford - 04-14-2016, 11:53 AM - Forum: General Topics Here
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I've been reading some old Air Force manuals which mention using the Landfall procedure as a safe means to arrive at your destination while flying.
Francis Chichester used it (maybe invented it) and Fred Noonan did also (though for the latter it didn't work out too well).
Can anyone explain it to me as I'm rather confused in how to do it.
Paul
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What time is Spring, exactly? |
Posted by: CelNav57 - 03-18-2016, 11:56 PM - Forum: General Topics Here
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Here's a question you may be interested in solving;
What is the date and time, in UT, of the 2016 vernal equinox?
Solve it anyway you'd like- just get the correct answer to the closest second of time.
Hope to hear from you all.
CelNav57
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March 8-9 total Solar eclipse |
Posted by: CelNav57 - 03-08-2016, 12:09 PM - Forum: General Topics Here
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The following is from The Astronomical Phenomena for 2016;
"A total eclipse of the Sun, March 8-9. See map on page 71. The eclipse begins at 23h 19m on March 8 and ends at 04h 35m on March 9".
"Maximum duration of totality is 04m 14s".
"It is visible from southern Asia, Oceania, Australia, extreme northwestern North America, the Indian Ocean, and the northern Pacific Ocean".
Here are more of the details- Total Eclipse of the Sun, 2016 March 8
Go to page 71 for the map of the path.
CelNav57
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Amundsen- The South Pole |
Posted by: CelNav57 - 03-02-2016, 11:31 PM - Forum: General Topics Here
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Roald Amundsen wrote the account of his expedition of five Norwegians first to reach The South Pole on December 14, 1911.
The book is available for free here- The South Pole by Roald Amundsen
To describe the march to the Pole in a few words- it was brutal. Five men in the fiercest part of the world, with no electronic communications relying upon DR and Sun sights to reach The South Pole!
Not to spoil the book for you; since they were in meta incognita, they had certain procedures to insure their survival and safe return to Framheim (their base in The Bay of Whales).
The book is very enjoyable reading and there are no discouraging words.
History presents too much of the Scott expedition. It has been said that though Amundsen was the victor, Scott was the martyr. Martyrs are remembered- victors are often forgotten.
I uploaded the 1911 Nautical Almanac which also contains the letter and English translation Amundsen had left at The South Pole, which Scott found, addressed to King Haakon VII of Norway. Scott and his team perished on their return trip but the letter was found with him when he and his comrades were found a nine months later.
The 1911 Nautical Almanac on our site is dedicated to the greatest explorer of the 20th century- Roald Amundsen.
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Arrogant mathematicians |
Posted by: c_davidson - 02-29-2016, 03:01 PM - Forum: General Topics Here
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Celestial navigation is difficult for a multitude of reasons but I wish to focus upon one particular- the math portion.
Learning celnav was very difficult for me because my skill at math was and isn't very good and I'm not trying to improve it. I don't drool over formulas or abstract ideas and principles.
The endless quantity of books and web sites that supposedly explain how to perform celnav were written by people* who don't appear to be able to explain it except to other mathematicians. That's a pity as celnav really is a dying art for ocean navigation and it certainly should be encouraged as backup.
It seems to me that since those that are promoting astronav in print are either retired physicists, engineers or math teachers there is a loftiness and arrogance conveyed that is similar to the saying over Plato's Academy door- “Let no one ignorant of geometry enter here". There is some doubt as to whether this was really there- my guess is it was- heck- the guy wrote "Republic"!
So it comes across as, "well, little man, unless you know the law of cosines we can't help you. Black art, I think Francis Chichester called.
But, then there's job security- keep things vague and not really understandable and you'll have job security.
By the way- the Naval academy IS NOT going to teach celnav processes- just that the method exists and no more- no sight reduction or using a sextant.
No wonder everyone has a hard time with math! It's the teachers!
Keep in mind that the navigators in the past 150 years were mostly grade school to high school educated at best. If they could do it- so can we!
* Do you really think I'm going to buy a book on celestial navigation written by someone named "Mary Blewitt"?! Blew it? are you kidding me?!
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Who bothers with Noon sights, and why? |
Posted by: CelNav57 - 02-29-2016, 02:18 PM - Forum: The Sight Reduction process
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The following is copied from part of JeremyParker's post over at; [/url]
[url=https://thenauticalalmanac.com/Forum/showthread.php?tid=14]
Does anyone really shoot the Moon?
His question follows;
My follow up question perhaps belongs in a different thread - Who bothers with Noon sights, and why?
I ask because there seems to be an almost religious attachment to the noon sight amongst many navigators and a belief that it is necessary to determine latitude to obtain a fix! Consequently we hang around on deck for 20 minutes awaiting the magical zenith moment while our lunch is going cold in the galley below, only to have the only clouds of the day obscure the sun right about LAN. Why not snap off and reduce a quick series of sights whenever we please and cross the resultant LOP with that of our advanced morning sight. This still renders our position; we can still determine Lat and Long. We only NEED a Latitude if we are performing a Time Sight - an observation by which we determine LHA and thence Longitude - but when using the intercept method precise Lat is not necessary.
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Form- Doniol sight reduction |
Posted by: CelNav57 - 02-04-2016, 01:11 PM - Forum: The Sight Reduction process
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Louis and I have finished the Doniol sight reduction form. It only calculates Hc and we have not worked on determining Zn yet.
An unusual method of multiplying "1-q" and Haversine LHA" uses the butterfly method. The answer isn't exact but it is close enough.
Here it is- Doniol form
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